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		<title>By: jf Pion</title>
		<link>http://ireaderreview.com/2009/10/20/if-ebooks-had-no-drm/#comment-27725</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read a lot of Baen books, the older ones are free ! the new ones are quite cheap (cheaper than amazon) and drm free.

the big point of the drm is: in the future will I be sure to still be able to read my books ? there is the format obsolescence, the fact the compagny have only a limited life span. For the use of DRM it must be an official (ie by law supported) site who allow me to always get my books back even if I change my computer or ebook reader, and to allow me to give my book to frends or to pass them to my children as a family librairy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a lot of Baen books, the older ones are free ! the new ones are quite cheap (cheaper than amazon) and drm free.</p>
<p>the big point of the drm is: in the future will I be sure to still be able to read my books ? there is the format obsolescence, the fact the compagny have only a limited life span. For the use of DRM it must be an official (ie by law supported) site who allow me to always get my books back even if I change my computer or ebook reader, and to allow me to give my book to frends or to pass them to my children as a family librairy.</p>
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		<title>By: Phigment</title>
		<link>http://ireaderreview.com/2009/10/20/if-ebooks-had-no-drm/#comment-10976</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Richard

My God!!! Someone else who actually Knows about BAEN. I&#039;ve been a faithful purchaser of ebooks from Baen since they started it, back in 1999 (I think?). DRM is really not as applicable to books as i would think it would be to music. Keep the price *fair* and everyone will pay for it. And yea, there will be people that would occasionally give a DRM-free ebook to a friend hopeing to hook them onto a series, so they would have even more things in common.  But BAEN is the only publisher (though they also sell some e-reads, tor and a couple other publishers books too) that truly believes they have more to gain than loose by selling hot-off-the-press (so to speak) ebooks for a fair price. 

Really the Publishers need to follow BAEN&#039;s lead, Lets get serious here, there&#039;s ONLY ONE ELECTRONIC COPY of an ebook. When you buy one, your not buying 1 of 10,000. your getting a copy of 1. Amazon, B&amp;N, Fictionwise they all have a copy of that 1 book. So where&#039;s the major expenses??? Give the author more on his royalty (then watch and see how fast they sign up for thier work to be ebooks). and pay the artist (who makes the cover art work) and the editor good wages. There&#039;s no printing costs, no guessing how many copies to print off to meet demand. Just pure profit. Hey drop the price of an ebook down to $4.99 (about 1978&#039;s price range) and everyone wins. Author wins, publisher wins and we win. 

pardon me as I get off my soapbox.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard</p>
<p>My God!!! Someone else who actually Knows about BAEN. I&#8217;ve been a faithful purchaser of ebooks from Baen since they started it, back in 1999 (I think?). DRM is really not as applicable to books as i would think it would be to music. Keep the price *fair* and everyone will pay for it. And yea, there will be people that would occasionally give a DRM-free ebook to a friend hopeing to hook them onto a series, so they would have even more things in common.  But BAEN is the only publisher (though they also sell some e-reads, tor and a couple other publishers books too) that truly believes they have more to gain than loose by selling hot-off-the-press (so to speak) ebooks for a fair price. </p>
<p>Really the Publishers need to follow BAEN&#8217;s lead, Lets get serious here, there&#8217;s ONLY ONE ELECTRONIC COPY of an ebook. When you buy one, your not buying 1 of 10,000. your getting a copy of 1. Amazon, B&amp;N, Fictionwise they all have a copy of that 1 book. So where&#8217;s the major expenses??? Give the author more on his royalty (then watch and see how fast they sign up for thier work to be ebooks). and pay the artist (who makes the cover art work) and the editor good wages. There&#8217;s no printing costs, no guessing how many copies to print off to meet demand. Just pure profit. Hey drop the price of an ebook down to $4.99 (about 1978&#8242;s price range) and everyone wins. Author wins, publisher wins and we win. </p>
<p>pardon me as I get off my soapbox.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://ireaderreview.com/2009/10/20/if-ebooks-had-no-drm/#comment-8966</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really think that people need to study more the people who have been publishing ebooks successfully for more than 10 years -- Baen Publishing.  Their price point is closer to the paperback price, and they _abhor_ DRM.  One of the authors (Eric Flint) has written a series of essays on epublishing that are well worth reading.  Some of them are available here (http://www.baen.com/library/palaver_index.htm) ... start with #6.  More have been running as a column in the Baen&#039;s Universe eMagazine.  He makes sense, and it&#039;s not just theory -- Baen puts it into practice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really think that people need to study more the people who have been publishing ebooks successfully for more than 10 years &#8212; Baen Publishing.  Their price point is closer to the paperback price, and they _abhor_ DRM.  One of the authors (Eric Flint) has written a series of essays on epublishing that are well worth reading.  Some of them are available here (<a href="http://www.baen.com/library/palaver_index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.baen.com/library/palaver_index.htm</a>) &#8230; start with #6.  More have been running as a column in the Baen&#8217;s Universe eMagazine.  He makes sense, and it&#8217;s not just theory &#8212; Baen puts it into practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um. Sorry, but no. $9.99 is ridiculous for anything but new books or books that are higher over all editions. With almost zero printing and distribution costs, it&#039;s a smack in the face for publishers to expect $9.99 for books that are already out in paperback. I fume every time I see a book priced $9.99 on the Kindle store when 48 used paperback copies are going for $2 each.

I&#039;m an early adopter and a huge ebook reader, but I&#039;ve made a promise to myself that I will never pay $9.99 for an ebook unless it is less than 2 months old.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um. Sorry, but no. $9.99 is ridiculous for anything but new books or books that are higher over all editions. With almost zero printing and distribution costs, it&#8217;s a smack in the face for publishers to expect $9.99 for books that are already out in paperback. I fume every time I see a book priced $9.99 on the Kindle store when 48 used paperback copies are going for $2 each.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an early adopter and a huge ebook reader, but I&#8217;ve made a promise to myself that I will never pay $9.99 for an ebook unless it is less than 2 months old.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t see any mention of the observation that popular books that are not available in e-book format from the author is usually pirated within one day of the hard book release.  People that want to read Rowling&#039;s books on an e-reader at any price will go to the dark net and get a copy.  Those, like me, that will not go to the dark net for a copy will forgo the book altogether.  O&#039;Reilly is not the only one that has DRM free books.  Baen started this years ago and you prediction has not been realized, they are still in business and few of their books are found on pirated sites.  Steve Jordan&#039;s books are all DRM free and he is still in business.  In addition Steve sells his books for $3.50 because he gets to keep most of that .  He also offers less expensive bundles, as does Baen.  Hard copies of books have some residual value, whether loaned, given away or sold.  E-Books do not and thus are worth less.  The argument that if all the DRM problems went away with a better DRM scheme so that books are owned instead of rented, it would have to be done in a fashion that worked with library books, worked on all available devices now and into the future and didn&#039;t depend on any company to maintain the keys to the vault.  In its present form, DRM is a deterrent to sales and does virtually nothing to protect the author or publisher if he publishes on paper.  This article was very poorly researched.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see any mention of the observation that popular books that are not available in e-book format from the author is usually pirated within one day of the hard book release.  People that want to read Rowling&#8217;s books on an e-reader at any price will go to the dark net and get a copy.  Those, like me, that will not go to the dark net for a copy will forgo the book altogether.  O&#8217;Reilly is not the only one that has DRM free books.  Baen started this years ago and you prediction has not been realized, they are still in business and few of their books are found on pirated sites.  Steve Jordan&#8217;s books are all DRM free and he is still in business.  In addition Steve sells his books for $3.50 because he gets to keep most of that .  He also offers less expensive bundles, as does Baen.  Hard copies of books have some residual value, whether loaned, given away or sold.  E-Books do not and thus are worth less.  The argument that if all the DRM problems went away with a better DRM scheme so that books are owned instead of rented, it would have to be done in a fashion that worked with library books, worked on all available devices now and into the future and didn&#8217;t depend on any company to maintain the keys to the vault.  In its present form, DRM is a deterrent to sales and does virtually nothing to protect the author or publisher if he publishes on paper.  This article was very poorly researched.</p>
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		<title>By: Oren Rubinstein</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oren Rubinstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One comment about the price: it should be relative to the price of a paperback, not hard cover.

I usually buy paperbacks, and not only because they&#039;re cheaper, but also because they take less space on the shelf (true, an eBook reader solves this problem for good).

So I believe $9.99 is still excessive.  In my opinion, $7.99 would be the right price.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One comment about the price: it should be relative to the price of a paperback, not hard cover.</p>
<p>I usually buy paperbacks, and not only because they&#8217;re cheaper, but also because they take less space on the shelf (true, an eBook reader solves this problem for good).</p>
<p>So I believe $9.99 is still excessive.  In my opinion, $7.99 would be the right price.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; If eBooks had no DRM...

Then more people would buy them. The same thing happened with MP3s. In the early years that MP3s were on sale with DRM such as on ITunes, sure some people bought them, but not me and not anyone that I personally knew.

When DRM was removed, I immediately bought an iPod and regularly buy songs. I simply will not let DRM decide where and how I listen to music. Same with eBooks.

&gt; No one knows what happens without DRM

Not true. O&#039;Reilly sells all of their eBooks without any DRM. http://oreilly.com/ebooks/
And to be honest, 85% of my eBooks are from O&#039;Reilly. Another 5% are from Apress, which only looks their PDFs with your e-mail address. While not ideal, that can be easily removed. The other 10% are various free eBooks.

While I am quite interested in going entirely for eBooks in the future, I refuse to purchase a book with DRM. Unfortunately I think that, like MP3s, it will take several years before the industry realizes this point. So I will mostly likely not make many eBook purchases except from certain publishers such as O&#039;Reilly.

Also, the industry really needs to pick a standard format. I&#039;m extremely happy with PDFs, but there seems to be a push for ePub. It&#039;s ridiculous to buy any Kindle book and not be able to read it on any other device including your own PC. If anything, DRM is preventing eBooks from reaching their full potential. The industry needs to learn from MP3s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; If eBooks had no DRM&#8230;</p>
<p>Then more people would buy them. The same thing happened with MP3s. In the early years that MP3s were on sale with DRM such as on ITunes, sure some people bought them, but not me and not anyone that I personally knew.</p>
<p>When DRM was removed, I immediately bought an iPod and regularly buy songs. I simply will not let DRM decide where and how I listen to music. Same with eBooks.</p>
<p>&gt; No one knows what happens without DRM</p>
<p>Not true. O&#8217;Reilly sells all of their eBooks without any DRM. <a href="http://oreilly.com/ebooks/" rel="nofollow">http://oreilly.com/ebooks/</a><br />
And to be honest, 85% of my eBooks are from O&#8217;Reilly. Another 5% are from Apress, which only looks their PDFs with your e-mail address. While not ideal, that can be easily removed. The other 10% are various free eBooks.</p>
<p>While I am quite interested in going entirely for eBooks in the future, I refuse to purchase a book with DRM. Unfortunately I think that, like MP3s, it will take several years before the industry realizes this point. So I will mostly likely not make many eBook purchases except from certain publishers such as O&#8217;Reilly.</p>
<p>Also, the industry really needs to pick a standard format. I&#8217;m extremely happy with PDFs, but there seems to be a push for ePub. It&#8217;s ridiculous to buy any Kindle book and not be able to read it on any other device including your own PC. If anything, DRM is preventing eBooks from reaching their full potential. The industry needs to learn from MP3s.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Story</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I gave away over 20K copies of my podcast novel and understand the power of free and the need for convenience and customer choice. However, if the arguments against DRM are truly about being able to port your books easily between devices and other such issues, then surely a system that lets you do that would satisfy. Yes, DRM-less will achieve that aim and yes you can point to some successes in the music world, but what&#039;s the probelm if you can do all these things anyway?

I agree that in time the removal of DRM may happen but what&#039;s the rush? Allow me to buy easily, move between competitors (taking my books with me), let me use any online store, any time, lend my books to friends or family, enable my purchase to survive the death of a single company and do all this with ease and the argument against DRM becomes a crusade centred on dogma.

It might take a few minutes, a day or a week to write a song. It is often a buzz simply to play to an audience and an artist can reap the financial and social awards of success through live concerts etc.

Writing is different. There is so much rubbish talked about it from those who have not spent years locked away on their own trying to create something new. The odds of making a living have always been long and that&#039;s unlikely to change but at least there is a chance. It keeps many of us going.

People who love books should be wary. There are many voices out there with their own agendas (this is a general point - not throwing stones). I agree that punishing honest readers is not the way to go. Neither is the Kindle lock-in.

Things are changing fast. Keep pushing for that freedom. Keep shouting. But the arguments should be centred on what can and cannot be done, not in blind obedience to the technicalities of how it is accomplished.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gave away over 20K copies of my podcast novel and understand the power of free and the need for convenience and customer choice. However, if the arguments against DRM are truly about being able to port your books easily between devices and other such issues, then surely a system that lets you do that would satisfy. Yes, DRM-less will achieve that aim and yes you can point to some successes in the music world, but what&#8217;s the probelm if you can do all these things anyway?</p>
<p>I agree that in time the removal of DRM may happen but what&#8217;s the rush? Allow me to buy easily, move between competitors (taking my books with me), let me use any online store, any time, lend my books to friends or family, enable my purchase to survive the death of a single company and do all this with ease and the argument against DRM becomes a crusade centred on dogma.</p>
<p>It might take a few minutes, a day or a week to write a song. It is often a buzz simply to play to an audience and an artist can reap the financial and social awards of success through live concerts etc.</p>
<p>Writing is different. There is so much rubbish talked about it from those who have not spent years locked away on their own trying to create something new. The odds of making a living have always been long and that&#8217;s unlikely to change but at least there is a chance. It keeps many of us going.</p>
<p>People who love books should be wary. There are many voices out there with their own agendas (this is a general point &#8211; not throwing stones). I agree that punishing honest readers is not the way to go. Neither is the Kindle lock-in.</p>
<p>Things are changing fast. Keep pushing for that freedom. Keep shouting. But the arguments should be centred on what can and cannot be done, not in blind obedience to the technicalities of how it is accomplished.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Alexander</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your posting is a good summary of the issues, but it overuses the idea of &quot;perfect&quot;.  It&#039;s true that removing DRM wouldn&#039;t lead to perfect, &quot;golden&quot; behavior on the part of book buyers.  There would still be some people who would never pay for books.  But I think that overall, most readers would be honest and would continue to be happy to pay for books.  In fact, I suspect that book sales would increase because there would now be fewer limits on book use.  For example, if Amazon opened their Kindle store and removed DRM, people who didn&#039;t own Kindles but wanted to read books on other devices like home computers or netbooks or Palm smartphones would be able to buy books that were formerly unavailable to them.  I know I would have fit this profile before I bought a Kindle; Amazon lost a lot of sales from me because of this.

But it doesn&#039;t look like we&#039;ll get to know any time soon whether this scenario would come true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your posting is a good summary of the issues, but it overuses the idea of &#8220;perfect&#8221;.  It&#8217;s true that removing DRM wouldn&#8217;t lead to perfect, &#8220;golden&#8221; behavior on the part of book buyers.  There would still be some people who would never pay for books.  But I think that overall, most readers would be honest and would continue to be happy to pay for books.  In fact, I suspect that book sales would increase because there would now be fewer limits on book use.  For example, if Amazon opened their Kindle store and removed DRM, people who didn&#8217;t own Kindles but wanted to read books on other devices like home computers or netbooks or Palm smartphones would be able to buy books that were formerly unavailable to them.  I know I would have fit this profile before I bought a Kindle; Amazon lost a lot of sales from me because of this.</p>
<p>But it doesn&#8217;t look like we&#8217;ll get to know any time soon whether this scenario would come true.</p>
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		<title>By: Damaso</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You totally miss how the music industry, led by Amazon, has moved to DRM free. If you really want an album you can pirate it, but millions of people every day buy music from Amazon and iTunes, why?

Speed, security (knowing what you are getting and the quality you want) and lastly when you give people a reasonably priced alternative to stealing most of them will buy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You totally miss how the music industry, led by Amazon, has moved to DRM free. If you really want an album you can pirate it, but millions of people every day buy music from Amazon and iTunes, why?</p>
<p>Speed, security (knowing what you are getting and the quality you want) and lastly when you give people a reasonably priced alternative to stealing most of them will buy.</p>
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